In a new interview with “Reckless” Rexx Ruger of Pod Scum, SHADOWS FALL/ex-OVERKILL drummer Jason Bittner was asked what the impetus was for the formation of CATEGORY 7, his new band also featuring former MACHINE HEAD and current KERRY KING guitarist Phil Demmel, ex-ADRENALINE MOB guitarist Mike Orlando, ARMORED SAINT/ex-ANTHRAX singer John Bush and EXODUS bassist Jack Gibson. Jason replied (as transcribed by BLABBERMOUTH.NET): “If I’m being frank, the impetus, for me, was my dissatisfaction with my role in OVERKILL. I hadn’t been happy in the band for, like, two fucking years. It wasn’t a surprise that I quit. I’d been dissatisfied for a long time, but I’m a team player. I don’t like to leave things. I love the guys personally. So I just kind of just hung in there, but I was not happy where I was career-wise, let’s say, within the confines of that band. I wasn’t a bandmember. And that’s the main thing for me to keep doing this at this point in my lifetime. That’s why for SHADOWS FALL to be back together, I’m 20 percent owner-member. I’m involved in the decisions. I just don’t get told what’s happening. I hate that. I’m a Capricorn. I can’t deal with that shit.”
He continued: “For my whole career, for the most part, even like back to the early days, all the bands either I formed or I was instrumental in getting the guys together, or it was always just a one-for-all, all-for-one thing. OVERKILL was the only band I’ve ever played in where I was a hired gun. The only exception was ANTHRAX, but I was only a touring member with ANTHRAX, and with PRONG — only touring. That’s a totally different animal than being, quote-unquote, in the band. Even when I was in FLOTSAM [AND JETSAM], I was a 20 percent member-owner. I was involved in the decisions. So seven and a half years of that was a long time for me.
“I know Blabbermouth is gonna take this and run the wrong way with what I’m trying to talk about,” Bittner added. “My point I love the guys, I was a team player, I wasn’t leaving, but I was dissatisfied and I was looking for something else.
“My whole career, I had my ears always to the grindstone and I’m always just in the mix to know what’s going on, like, ‘Oh, hey, someone’s looking for something.’ Not that I want to be a ship jumper or anything, but I’ve had a lot of downtime on my hands in the last number of years. So anything I can play on, play with, be a part of, I’m gung-ho to do. But for a while with OVERKILL, I wasn’t like that anymore,” Jason admitted. “I’m, like, ‘All right, this is cool. I’m not looking for anything else.; But after a while, I was, like, ‘All right, I need another outlet.'”
When Ruger pressed Bittner about the exact reasons for his dissatisfaction with his role in OVERKILL and whether he wanted “more involvement in the creative process”, Jason said: “A little bit. For me, more so it was definitely on just being paid fairly for my time… Like I said, there’s no animosity. I just went and saw everybody last Friday. [OVERKILL] just played in my backyard Friday night. I went, I knocked on the bus, Blitz [OVERKILL singer Bobby Ellsworth] opened the door: ‘Hey, you coming tonight?’ ‘Yeah.’ ‘All right. Come on in.’ Gives me a big hug, like I knew he would. I gave his girlfriend a hug. I said hello to a couple of crew people that I knew. I went inside and gave everybody a hug. D.D. [Verni, OVERKILL bassist] came up, slaps me on the back. It’s got nothing to do with our personal lives. It’s just a business thing.”
Bittner added: “For a while it was fine, but I needed to make myself available for the bands that I’m a member of. That’s really what it is. I couldn’t be tied to OVERKILL anymore to be their drummer and only their drummer and ‘this is the schedule for the year and you have to work in whatever you do in this.’ Uh-uh.
“And I know that the people are already typing away, ‘Yes, but SHADOWS FALL doesn’t tour the way that OVERKILL did,’ blah blah blah blah. Yes, true — very true. But remember, I have another band, CATEGORY 7. Between the two, we’ll be working just as much. But also, the thing to keep in mind here, too, is I can play five shows with SHADOWS FALL and make more money than playing 30 with OVERKILL.”
This past September, Verni told Capital Chaos TV about Bittner‘s departure: “We kind of knew that that was coming. He had told us a while ago that he was just kind of burned out on too many things and had his hands in too many pots. So I think we kind of knew that was coming.”
When the interviewer noted that “it’s nice to see he left on good terms” and that there wasn’t “some sort of drama,” D.D. concurred. “Yeah, it was nothing like that,” he said. “He didn’t leave us hanging. You know, he finished out his commitments with us. He was supposed to do this European tour, but he couldn’t; he ended up not being able to do that, which worked out, because we have Jeramie [Kling, formerly of VENOM INC.] now in the band and he’s going to do the KING DIAMOND tour with us. And so it it all ended up working out.”
Bittner joined OVERKILL in 2017 and played drums on the band’s last two studio albums, 2019’s “The Wings Of War” and 2023’s “Scorched”
When Bittner has announced his departure from OVERKILL on August 5, he said in a statement: “On August 1, 2024, I played the Vagos Metal Fest in Portugal, and it was the last show I will play in the band OVERKILL.
“For a while now I have been juggling a few different bands along with OVERKILL, and I knew at some point something would have to give since I simply can’t be three places at once. Over the course of this last year, my schedule has reached that breaking point.
“At this time SHADOWS FALL is working towards completion of our new material that will take us back out on the road sometime in 2025, as well as our fall shows we have booked for the rest of this year celebrating 20 years of ‘The War Within’. Compounded on top of this is my new band, Metal Blade recording artists CATEGORY 7, whose album just hit the shelves last month and will start touring soon through 2025. All of this adds up to something having to ‘take a break’, so as of today I no longer play drums in OVERKILL so I can concentrate solely on the bands that I am a full member/owner of.
“Now don’t worry — they currently have another great drummer already learning the material, and he will be ready to do battle for the upcoming tours.
“I would like to thank EVERYONE in the OVERKILL extended family for 7 1/2 years of laughs, killer shows, and fun around the globe. All our crew members throughout my run, our agents Dolores Lokas and Mike Monterulo, my tech Animal for always having my back (Shake and Bake),as well as all of our crew past and present, the SKULLKRUSHERS (much love Jurgen),and all the fans who supported my tenure in the band, I love you all, thank you, and will miss you on the European and KING DIAMOND tours… but I’ll see you out there with SHADOWS FALL and CATEGORY 7.”
OVERKILL played its first concert with Kling on August 30 at the Posada Rock festival in Câmpulung Muscel, Romania.
When OVERKILL announced Kling‘s addition to the band on August 23, the group said in a statement: “We’re gearing up for an epic European and North American tour this August through December and are excited to announce a special addition for the tours. Here comes a thunderous old friend, who had done work with us, as well as THE ABSENCE & VENOM INC. Please welcome, with drum sticks in hand, Jeramie Kling!”
Jeramie added: “Words cannot express how stoked I am to share the stage with my good friends in OVERKILL. We will be laying waste to everyone throughout Europe and North America (with KING DIAMOND). Check the dates online and come out to see an unforgettable night of metal m/”.
A founding member of THE ABSENCE, Kling appeared on VENOM INC.‘s second album, 2022’s “There’s Only Black”, and has played with such acts as FORE, RIBSPREADER, GOREGÄNG and NECROMANCING THE STONE. He was also briefly affiliated with the reunited Florida death metal band MASSACRE, which led to the formation of INHUMAN CONDITION, alongside Terry Butler (OBITUARY, ex-DEATH) and Taylor Nordberg (DEICIDE). In addition to being a drummer, Kling is a recording engineer, producer and live sound engineer.
Photo credit: Frank White
